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Broadway Focus

Heather's article in th Daily Journal today:

Broadway focus of forum

Visions of a walking downtown area and restoring public transportation were the focus of the first Burlingame City Council candidates' forum Thursday. The council has four of its five seats up for grabs and eight of the nine candidates shared their thoughts with the city in the first of three forums to be held before the Nov. 8 election. Don Lembi and Russ Cohen are both running for the two-year seat vacated by Mike Coffey, who resigned this summer, while the other seven candidates are vying for the three open four-year seats. Lembi was not at the forum because of a family emergency.

Last month, Caltrain service through the Broadway station was cut back to weekend-only service. Almost all of the candidates said they had spoken up against the reduction of the Broadway Caltrain station schedule. The station was closed because of low ridership. Incumbent Rosalie O'Mahony said the current council worked valiantly to keep the station open and passed money in the June budget earmarked for the restoration of the Broadway station platforms. Many candidates, like Cohen, John Root, Gene Condon and Dan Andersen, said the fight to reopen the station would be a difficult one. This is a time where we as a community need to come together. This is the sort of thing you don't see coming and is slowly creeping up,? Condon said. While most the candidates agreed the reopening of the Broadway station should be a priority, how to handle the Broadway retail area brought up some different ideas.

Planning Commissioner Ann Keighran said the key to making it work is a balance between the small independent stores and national stores. Keighran would like to see the various boards overseeing planning within the city and downtown areas to come together and work toward a common goal. Vice Mayor Cathy Baylock brought up property tax abatements made available to owners of historical buildings. We need to think outside the box. I think there should be a balance of stores but mom and pop stores need to have a fighting chance,? Baylock said.

Paul Prendiville said the city should think about subdividing buildings and putting in businesses that followed more of the current market trends. Root said the main problem occurs because the city has an old overall plan. We've got to get with the program and get ahead of these things instead of always reacting,? Root said.

Sticking with the plan idea, Cohen said looking at what other cities have done would be a way to figure out how to get the Burlingame downtown plan right. He suggested it would be better to have national stores on the outskirts of downtown, giving prime location to the smaller stores. But since the set up downtown already doesn't accommodate this idea, Cohen suggested limiting store sizes. O'Mahony, however, said she would be against forcing property owners to a set given area.

Discussion of downtown brought up ideas on making better use of the side streets like Howard Avenue in downtown and create a walking environment on Broadway. We need to find ways to move pedestrians down the side streets. When more residents will walk to shops we can address the economic feasibility,? Andersen said

– Written by Fiona

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92 responses to “Broadway Focus”

  1. Hiram

    Perhaps the City could condemn the awful building in the 1100 block of Broadway which used to house the rug store, Galleria de Farsh? Having a sensible, nicely designed building there with access to store fronts would be a big help. Allowing a few more restaurants or food places on Broadway would be ideal. The grocery store at Paloma is a mess and having a nicer, well-maintained food place there would also be great.
    Most of the store fronts on Broadway are fairly small, so this naturally limits the interest of big ‘chain’ sort of places.

  2. Anonymous

    I’m not sure that Broadway wants the big chain stores. Burlingame Avenue repells some, because it has so many. I think the people who frequent Broadway see plenty of room for improvement, but I’m not sure they see it in the form of chains.

    The biggest obstacle that I see is coming from the look of the street. There is nothing wrong with charming and old-fashioned, but some areas look dowdy, (particularly the numerous nail and hair salons.) There are easy fixes for this. I find that it is very hard to see into the stores and restaurants, with few exception. It looks “closed”. I frequent a few stores on Broadway, but would have difficulties reciting the remainder of the stores and restaurants, because they lack that open “bistro-like” feel. Perhaps the narrow sidewalks preclude this, but I think it could visually be done be more vitrine space, open window look.

  3. Anonymous

    To continue, how can people frequent Broadway, when they don’t really know what is there? I do not mean to be disrespectful of any of the store owners, I just find some stores very difficult to see into. Much in the way that Cohen last night advocated an increase in awareness of services on Burlingame Avenue, the same needs to happen on Broadway. I’m embarrassed to say that I only can name a couple of restaurants on that street, as well as a few cute shops, the others are a blurr, and yes, the rug store is pathetic.

    Yesterday I spent an hour on Santa Cruz Ave. in Menlo Park. I’ve always liked that street, and it has remained the same in character for at least the past few decades. There are few, if any chains (because the University Mall sits very close by). But I also noted that there aren’t any empty commercial spaces. Most are independents and they vary in wares: lampshades, lighting, lots of home decor shops, rugs, furniture, bakeries (lots of bagel shops), a real Ace Hardware and stationery store. Behind the main street are both Draegers and Trader Joes, almost hidden. Also parking is free.

    Just as in Burlingame, there are quite a few transients on their Avenue. I talked to a merchant of Swiss merchandise (talk about eclectic mixes) and she also mentioned the high rents being problematic, yet somehow, all the storefronts are full and teaming with people. Her only real complaint was that they have had too many rug stores in the past. Apparently, the city put an end to that, but I don’t know how. As was suggested by several last evening, this city needs to do some homework and find out how other similar cities handle all of these issues. There’s some amount of arrogance in thinking that we cannot learn things from other places, and I hope we are more humble than that.

  4. fred

    That building on the 1100 block of Broadway just went before council to allow a second realtor’s office to move in on the street. Why on earth would you condemn it? The scary thing is the attitude of some candidates trying to take so much control over private property. With the prices people pay out here you would think there would be more passion about the fact that blood, sweat and tears have gone into making any property investment pay off.

    Instead Russ Cohen wants to limit store size to force larger retailers off the main avenues and somehow allow smaller retailers to move in. Sounds like an economic disaster to me. Private property and council control over it seems to be the single most important issue in the election. Residents should take notice. The idea seems to be to start by controlling business property but would massive control over residential property be far behind?

    On the other side of the coin Anne Keighran wants more national chains on Broadway but couldn’t that make Broadway Avenue parallel Burlingame Avenue? Couldn’t that promote the same kind of rent increase problems facing the smaller businesses on Burlingame Ave? This may be unavoidable anyways.

    I haven’t said it in a while but I think the current make-ups of the streets are actually very benefical to the city and doesn’t require much change other than growth onto Howard and Chapin. The Safeway project is kind of holding up change on Howard. The empty storefronts on the south side of Burlingame Ave disturb many people. I don’t think it is a sign of trouble just a sign of high rents. Half the block is in development and I would wager the other empty storefronts will be filled in quickly enough when the landlord gets his price (as is his option to hold out for – tax write-offs and all).

    It always seems to be about more restaurants, movie theatres and grocery stores. But it takes a lot more for a city to function as a whole than just focusing on comfort for residents. But maybe those are the issues that get people elected.

  5. Bruce

    I too think Cohen’s idea of limiting store size… is totally unreasonable. If national chains are willing to pay for the high rent, so be it. Isn’t this is a free market society? Why limits property owners’ rights to rent?

  6. Anonymous

    Thanks for the update, Fred. I’m glad to hear we will finally see some activity at the rug store. What was it, 2 years empty. I remember a council meeting about that building, where the high price tag per sq. ft. was brought up. Maybe he/she finally reduced the cost.

    I also doubt you were at the meeting last night, because that is not what Russ Cohen said. He said cities can and do control sizes of stores, that it should be looked into, though on our Avenue, the train has already long passed.

    By the way, cities like ours have reduced sizes of buildings (at least made the permits conditional use) and have encouraged chains on side streets, not main streets. Our downtown is the opposite. He alluded to the fact that many of our smaller stores have become one large store, because there are no size limits. As a resident, I like to see more stores, not fewer.

    By the way, 5-6K (used by some cities) for a store is pretty darn big. We’re not talking hole in the wall. Other cities, like Mill Valley, I’ve mentioned here before, use 1500 sq. ft. as a marker for a conditional use permit. It certainly does not mean that a larger store cannot open up shop, it does mean that the public can have the opportunity to voice their opinion about this or that (usually chain) coming to town. In the end, it helps the business owners, because they will know or have some indication advance, how their establishments will do in town.

    I remember when Pottery barn was three stores, before it burned down. I also see that the corner building on California was once three or four spaces, now it will become one big restaurant. I think that limits what our downtown has to offer, and certainly keeps out the little guy.

    Do you remember the sock store? This was a very small store, and bless their hearts, they tried hard, but couldn’t anyone have told them in advance, that socks weren’t going to pay the rent in this town? How many socks can people really buy? There are other examples. They come and go so fast, I’ve forgotten. Somehow, there needs to be a connection between those who want to start businesses here, and those who would be their future customers. This is simply lacking.

  7. JL

    Some discussion of issues, here…nice.

    Jen, I think you provide an excellent description of the current state of Broadway. Mostly non-descript stores, very little done by most vendors to advertise or promote their services. I don’t understand why some here find it so charming. The street needs more recognizable chains to drive more traffic and interest in the area. If that’s what Keighran wants, good for her. Fred, I have no issue with rising rents on Broadway — it means more interest and demand. If that weeds out underperforming stores on the street, so be it.

    Limiting store sizes is an economic non-starter.

    I’m not sure I understand Baylock’s idea of property tax abatements for owners of historical buildings. Mom and pop stores that provide value-added services/products and do a good job of promoting themselves will do just fine.

    Glad to see that the candidates recognize the importance of reopening the Broadway station: improving the retail area would be a big first step towards that goal.

  8. Ray Park

    The cream rose to the top.

    Lat night’s forum provided few surprises. Gene Condon was clear on his regret and how he has used his less-than-perfect past to help troubled youth. That was not the surprise as much as the crowd reaction to the question in reference to the police records. A large portion of the crowed booed and the clapped at Gene’s response. For those who say it was just Gene’s cronies in the stands, you were not paying attention to the numbers. This was Burlingame rejecting this witch hunt. Cathy Baylock was my other surprise. She was poised, sure of her self and had a conciliatory tone that convinced me she can work well with Ms. Nagel and Rosalie.

    With the exception of Cohen, Baylock and Rosalie, all others sounded like the mumbling of adults in the Charlie Brown cartoon with a few words sticking out. Root: Education, Anderson: Broadway Train station, Kieghran, I did this, I did that, Prendiville: renderings, Condon: kids. I like that Root recognized that transportation and housing are regional issues and we cannot pretend to correct them in a vacuum. There is one issue where Ms. Keighran snapped back at Rosalie and said that Broadway was her project. I wish she had shown a little more respect to her mentor.

    Mr. Cohen left me with a sharp pain in my wallet. He has a huge list of programs he wants to implement but not once did he make mention of how they would be funded. He didn’t express any concern for the City’s finances and that scares me. Baylock shared some of his ideas but she was able to articulate a business rationale, showing that at least she is thinking about money. When Cohen was asked how he would promote business in response to the current vacancies downtown, he said he would restrict the size of the buildings. Adding regulations is not the way to attract business. There was a fixation with affordable housing and mom-and-pop business but no one came up with a proposal that takes into consideration the free market. Rosalie was the only one that acknowledged the existence of free market forces working on our town.

    Rosalie truly rose like cream to the top. She is in command of the issues and demonstrated her fiscal caution that has helped keep our City the envy of the Peninsula. She was warm engaging and believable. She is truly the Grand Dame of Burlingame. I still don’t agree with her on her strong opposition to housing on the bay front but with all the newbies coming on board, I thank god she is there. For those who said she was losing her edge, maybe you were nodding off at that meeting.

    There are still some unresolved issues and we can’t keep passing the buck and saying that we are conducting a study or a survey. We need action.

    Affordable housing: I agree with Mr. Root in that we need to work with our neighbors on this one. Creative financing through partnerships with the County and the private sector, should be part of the solution. There is no more land in Burlingame and the only answer is up. If this is done correctly (close to transportation, entertainment and shopping), the impact on our infrastructure and services will be minimized. We need to send a clear signal to developers that we welcome this type of construction or we need to stop pretending that we are concerned and accept that our City workers, teachers and many of those at the private firms will just have to keep commuting from Tracy.

    Transportation: As I heard everybody talk about how devastating the closure of the Broadway train station is, I kept waiting for someone to tell me how they plan to work with the local businesses to encourage their employees to use public transportation. A sort of Rail to Burlingame? voucher paid for by both business and the City. Maybe even a discount at the retailers if you show your train ticket. Cohen and Condon being Traffic and Safety Commissioners had nothing new to add. From the bit I heard of yet another survey, it sounded like many of the affected riders were workers coming to work. If we increase riders, JPB will pay attention. I am not sure why everyone kept boasting that they were at the meeting where the closure was decided. You were all there but you all failed to sway the vote.

    Movie Theater: All movie theaters are hurting because attendance is way down all over. With the theaters in San Mateo I doubt any chain will take a chance on Burlingame. They beat us to that punch and we need to move on. But wait! We already have a movie theater. Does our shuttle stop at the Hyatt? How can we promote our own existing location by making it easier for teens to get there?

    Teen Center: Now that we have hooked up with Millbrae for Parks and Rec., It might make sense to look at a joint teen center. Economies of scale! Has anyone discussed a location that can be closer to Millbrae in order to share? Has this been included in the studies of the North end? There are existing buildings that may provide opportunities for conversion.

    After this forum, the two incumbents rose to the top as clear choices. Mr. Cohen displayed his well-meaning but fiscally dangerous ideas. All others were lost in the fog of self-promotion, vague concepts and muddled speech. Absentee ballots are going out and we need a reason to vote for you. If I hear about one more study and one more survey, I am going to scream. I hope we hear new and sensible ideas in the next round.

  9. JL

    Jen, in the retail business, talking about what people want is generally unproductive…people talk with their wallets, bottom line, and that’s how you know what people want. Also, retail is a very tough business and turnover is constant. I don’t know the sock store you’re referring to, but I applaud them for trying and their entrepreneurial spirit, even if it didn’t work out.

  10. fred

    Didn’t the pottery barn used to be Woolworth’s? Maybe including the small Double Rainbow ice cream store but I don’t recall a huge consolidation. Limiting store size whether it be 1,500 sq ft or 5,0000 sq ft is still a dangerous gamble and will force potential business to neighboring cities. Guidelines but not control is what property owners deserve and are entitled to.

    Nice to see a blog where the issues are discussed and the insults are lacking.

  11. Anonymous

    Thanks for the thoughtful recap. One thing I personally wanted to ask, but couldn’t, was IF we have to share services with Millbrae? Has this already been signed on the dotted line. This is another train moving swiftly down the track, and I am wondering if we can opt out. What do these candidates really feel about this.

    Ever since Randy has moved to Millbrae, he appears overloaded and difficult to get in contact with. He does his best, but that is the nature of sharing. Also, the “joining” parties are constantly in meetings. How much meeting time will be added to what already exists. II fear that joint services means more and more internal meetings, and far less of what benefits the Burlingame public directly. Are we going to vote on this? Is a future council going to vote on this? Help me, somebody. Are we following blindly into a trend, because everyone else is doing it?

    Just because shared fire and police services are working, doesn’t mean to me that everything else should be shared. We may well have completely different needs than Millbrae. Geographically, it is an issue for me, too.Why aren’t we joining forces with Hillsborough’s rec, for example. I admit, this is a subject I should know more about, but what I’ve heard or seen so far I am not happy with. I don’t like feeling rail-roaded.

    Jim Nantell made a competant and lengthy presentation of this subject, but at the end I would have still wanted to ask, do we have to do this?? It sounded like about 10-15K would be saved on personal. Is it just me? That doesn’t seem like an enormous savings to me, if it means sacrificing the hands on, in town opportunities we have.

    I think the current rec. dept. does a fabulous job of offering varied classes. They continually try to introduce more classes that would be attractive to teens, and generally earn big kudos. I just fear we will lose a lot of these positives.

  12. Anonymous

    Ray Park, I do not think Mr. Condon did as well as you have noted. I think the clapping was sorrowful on his behalf, as none of us would want to go through what he is going through. But, he put himself in it. His response was a spin – probably his only choice. He hasn’t learned from it as he has recent outbursts on record.

    I think Gene is a good guy. And I know he has contributed to Burlingame. Many of us have.

    But I do not think he is right for City Council, neither am I. If my past was opened up, it would be ugly, but no one would care – unless I ran for public office. But I will continue to contribute, and I hope Gene does too.

    I completey agree with everyone of your other assesments.

    I was not in favor of Rosalie until last night. She may be critisized for not having a vision – so what – there’s four others that do. She is a strong anchor and truely passionate. It was nice to hear her.

  13. Ray Park

    Jen.

    I don’t think that Millbrae and Burlingame toghether make up such a huge area. I think when sharing gets ironed out, this arrangement will work just fine. As to added meetings, can’t we create a joint Parks and Rec. Commission with a set number of representatives from each city? I think this is another good policy by our City staff. It was politically dangerous but fiscally sound. Hey waddaya know? real issues being discussed. Maybe there is hope after all.

    JL-You are right on the money! What better survey to know what people want than where they spend their money. Why is Village Host still around while others come and go? Good food, good price and a nice place to hang out with kids. There is something to be said for those large retailers who provide consistency and draw crouds. I like the mom-and-pop concept but not at the expense of strong anchor retailers. What would Copenhagen be without Pottery Barn, Gap, Apple?

  14. Anonymous

    This is a good question, Ray Park, but I have a better one….. What would Gap and Pottery Barn be without Copenhagen?!

  15. Ray Park

    Bluesky-On the Condon issue…I think Burlingame was the real winner when so many in the aduience repudiated the character assasination.

  16. Anonymous

    Exactly – the Copenhagen has been around for gazillion years, the others have not. In addition, the Copenhagen is very generous to many in Burlingame.

    At a recent meeting a gentlemen said he would not go downtown if the Copenhagen was not there so this restaurant is a very important “anchor” on Burlingame Avenue.

    One newest Broadway addition to Broadway is Mivan which has chairs and tables outside and a great place to eat.

  17. james

    The people doing the repudiating were not from Burlingame.

  18. Ray Park

    Agreed-I was going to Copenhagen well before Pottery Barn and Gap but it has since doubled in size. I wonder if it would be too big for Mr. Cohen’s size limit. Those large stores on Blgm. ave bring a lot to our community and we need to stop bashing them. Instead, lets use their appeal outside of the City to help support the surrounding mom-and-pops. Do not shoot the Goose whith the golden tax revenues.

  19. fred

    Careful Ray – geese talk starts a hornets nest.

  20. Republican II

    Come on Bruce, Ray Park, and the others who keep espousing a “no restrictions on business and the free market” approach — Urban planning is here to stay. Any zoning, height limits, use limits, etc. impede a landlord’s ability to do exactly what he wants with his castle. Good zoning and planning has made and kept Burlingame the charming city that it is. I don’t want Burlingame to become a Southern California suburban sprawl town or even a Millbrae. Cohen isn’t suggesting rent control…he’s suggesting limiting the square footage of stores…hardly a “pinko” thought (and he made it clear he would never take action without lots of time for community input, unlike some of our current council). I, for one, think his ideas are worthy of lots more discussion and thought….how do we keep our avenues from becoming strip malls? The answer is probably “very, very carefully with lots of planning and thought” — not a free-market approach. We know what a free-market approach looks like…we’ve got lots of cities north and south of us that have it….many of us absolutely don’t want that.

  21. Ray Park

    That’s what I’ve been trying to do. So you think this might actually get a response? I sure hope so ’cause I’m gonna get fired for doing this and I still can’t get people fired up.

  22. Fiona

    Ray Park – past candidate’s business licenses, photo mailings and past good deeds and misdeeds have been scrutinized in past elections. Violent police records are also part of the information package. When everything is out in the open, we can decide whether this is relevant to our voting. Of course we do have to be Burlingame residents!

    I was undecided on my fourth vote until last night but I made up my mind during the debate. This forum separated the wheat from the chaff, the brain from the brawn, the experienced from the inexperienced, the naff from the classy and those who will work together (kumbaya, fred!) and which candidates know what is going on. It was an awesome group and I have a renewed optimism for a great council after November!

    Also have a renewed optimism for Broadway, which I love!

  23. fred

    What planet are we on that Burlingame Avenue is in threat of becoming an SoCal strip mall?

    The design review board would prevent that from happening anyways. But limiting store size limits business opprotunity. We’re not talking Costco here but if Burlingame had instituted limits decades ago I imagine Burlingame Avenue would look more like downtown Campbell with a lot of little chotsky shops and antique stores. Even as scary as a strip mall.

  24. Anonymous

    not from Burlingame, not voters…but Condon supporters. like i said, he’s a good guy…just shouldn’t be in public office. and besides, the crowd wasn’t that big..i was surprised, not a very good representation of Burlingame. anyhow, enough on the subject.

    fred, i’m such a fan! keep it up!

  25. Ray Park

    Oh! Do share your choices Fiona or have already?

  26. Anonymous

    On Copenhagen, the bakery and small restaurant were here decades before he expanded into more space. This happened organically. By the way, I don’t know the size of Copenhagen, but would doubt it is anywhere near 5,000-6,000 sq. feet. (a number I’ve thrown out there in a previous Blog, not Russ.)

    The clients here supported Ralph enough to merit his investment in the new space, and certainly it is the main draw for the street. The day he closes up shop will be a tremendous loss for this town, much like the Garden Center closure (at least in my opinion.) I find this evolution of his space over several years, to be different than restaurants and shops, some larger than his space, opening overnight. Some succeed, some fail. In the meanwhile, the space previously occupied by two or three businesses, is several times more expensive; it is difficult to reverse this process, and revert to smaller, cheaper spaces, once it has happened.

    And we, the consumers, are the losers, because we’ve lost bunch of smaller stores and spaces and opportunities to spend time and money. All the nooks and crannies, gone. Big spaces may be easier for landlords to process, to manage, and may sound appealing to those who like sleek, mall-like environments, but I prefer it a bit more eclectic. Maybe it’s just me.

  27. JL

    Republican, nobody is suggesting eliminating zoning laws etc, but limiting store sizes is over the top and is very detrimental to attracting business.

    By the way, you may want to reconsider your statement that “Cohen isn’t suggesting rent control”.
    http://burlingamevoice.com/blogs/index.php?title=changes_are_a_comin&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#comments

  28. JL

    Sorry, the link might not work, so here’s the text of the comment from an earlier thread on this site.

    Comment from: Russ [Visitor] http://russcohen.com
    I contend that Downtown Burlingame is not like a mall at all. Sure it has a mix of chains and independents-but unlike a mall it has accountants, attorneys, insurance brokers, real estate agents, architects, interior designers, graphic designers and many other services that you can not take advantage of in a mall. The mix is delicatley balanced. That balance can easily become imbalanced and it is up to council to dictate how growth occurs. And council represents the people. The downtown core should not be entirely market driven. If it is then landlords will charge $8.00 a square foot, as some are currently doing, and that will only attract a certain segment of the market. It could very well “kill the goose that laid the golden egg” as one city councilwoman is fond of saying.

  29. fred

    Copenhagen was first just a bakery and then in the ’80’s added a restaurant and then in the late ’90’s expanded the restaurant once more. Organic development? Green I know organic I don’t. The portion customers roam seems larger than 5,000 sq ft but the whole shop (including kitchens) is much larger (guessing, but quite sure).

    I bet Copenhagen owns the property they operate from. I don’t know that but they run a very smart operation.

  30. Anonymous

    They do not own that property, but have a decent landlord, from what I’ve heard. Thank goodness….

    By the way, the term “organically grown” (not vegies) means not with force, but evolving over time, according to what a market will bear, changes and needs that arise. I don’t think I’ve made it up, but have probably seen it in New Urbanism publications, or Jane Jacobs’ work.

  31. Anonymous

    You know, I notice that Paul talks about the advantages of subdividing large spaces. We must see I to eye on this one.

  32. Ray Park

    The Copenhagen Story

    ——————————————————————————–

    In 1977 Ben Nielsen, Ralf Nielsen and his wife Shari bought a former pastry shop and soda fountain on Burlingame Avenue in Burlingame, California, which soon should turn out to be a success.

    When Copenhagen Bakery owner Ralf Nielsen decided to follow in the footsteps of his grandfather and uncle (both Danish bakers), he and his wife Shari moved to Denmark, where they spent a long time learning the trade from his family. At their return, they partnered up with Ralf\’s brother, Ben Nielsen.

    The place was tiny (about 2,000 square feet, with a 26-seat caf ), but the bakery facilities were adequate and the location was promising. When Copenhagen Bakery & Caf opened its doors in 1977, business kicked in right away.

    Since then, the business has grown, remodeled and added new products, though the menu is still rooted in delicious home-made food and Danish specialties. The d cor is traditional, with a spark of new. The business recently expanded, moving into an adjoining space that has increased the size of the store to 5,500 square feet, boosting caf seating.

    Constant improvements
    There’s nothing slick or trendy about Copenhagen, and the customers like it that way. \”They were worried about our first expansion, and they were worried about this change also,\” Shari observes. \”They don’t want us to change too much.\” The Nielsens are focused on constantly improving their business. \”It challenges you. It makes you think,\” says Shari. So next time you\’re in Burlingame, please drop in and try our delicious food in the comfort of our pleasant bakery and restaurant.

  33. fred

    Wow, I would think it is bigger. The other stores Pottery Barn and Banana Republic are they larger because they go deeper back? Is that what Russ/Jenn are trying to avoid? More stores that size? They don’t seem too large to me and they have to be making a good chunk of money for the town.

  34. Ray Park

    Landlord:

    LP/LLC
    HAMMER I, LLC
    Number: 199509310014 Date Filed: 4/3/1995 Status: active
    Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
    Address
    1201 HOWARD AVE.
    BURLINGAME, CA 94010
    Agent for Service of Process
    NICHOLAS F. PODELL
    1201 HOWARD AVE.
    BURLINGAME, CA 94010

    All from public records by the way.

  35. Ray Park

    Or is it:

    Primary Owner: OFFIELD OLIVE E TR
    Secondary Owner:
    Mail Address: 310 PEPPER AVE
    BURLINGAME CA 94010

  36. Republican II

    Dear Fred, This is the planet Burlingame and how it has evolved in 20 years: Twenty years ago, Burlingame Avenue had a Bon Appetit grocery store, a “coffee house” that wasn’t a chain, Norma E. Norlund’s Asian antiques and a wonderful hardware store to name a few of my old favorites. Now it has Starbucks, Gap, Banana Republic, Ralph Lauren, J Crew, Ann Taylor and other stores that are a dime a dozen in any urban, suburban or even rural strip mall. So if you don’t think the trend is towards a mall environment, I don’t think you understand what we’re talking about. If Burlingame Avenue is all national chains, there will be no reason to go there, vs Hillsdale, Tanforan or any other boring shopping area…We need to explore ways to maintain our uniqueness….SF has struggled with this as well in order to maintain its unique shopping neighborhoods….in fact, many other cities are struggling with this issue…we need to explore what others are doing, what works and actual PLAN….

  37. Ray Park

    You probalby just described: Downtown San Mateo, Redwood City, Santa Cruz Ave in Menlo Park, certainly University avenue in PA, Castro street in Mt. View etc. This is happening all over. It is not Burlingame policies that have caused that. You sure you are Republican? If Tom Delay read this, he might excomunicate you. Oooops……I ment Rep. Blunt.

  38. Republican II

    Not sure what your point is, Ray Park. I’m most familiar with Santa Cruz in Menlo Park and University in Palo Alto and if you’re saying they are in danger of losing their uniqueness I think you’re right..It would be interesting to learn how those cities are handling the issue….(although they have somewhat of a built-in protection against national chain explosion because of their proximity to Stanford Mall, which is every retailer’s dream….and Stanford probably requires a radius clause in its leases which would prohibit a retailer from opening another store within 5 or 10 miles.

  39. Republican II

    If I had to look for a city which has done things right and has a wonderful mix of funky mom and pops and chains it would be Santa Barbara…perhaps we ought to give them a call

  40. fred

    Twenty years ago Burlingame was a sleepy town with parallel and plenty of empty parking space and a few people walking on the avenue.

    I miss Bon Appetit, the Coffe Bistro, the killer book store next to Bud’s ice cream, Woolworth’s, the old smoke shop, nathan’s, electric avenue, fox theatre, the bowling alley, record exchange, cheese please (I could go on, but why?) BUT you can’t stop time or change.

    Corporate America is invading everywhere not just Burlingame Avenue but it is no excuse to limit development and control the property owners right make a profit off of their investment. Even if you did all you are really accomplishing is taking the city and choking it by it’s neck.

    Would I like Burlingame to look like Santa Barbara or Carmel or Tahoe or any top five California tourist destination? Sure. Will we accomplish it by stymying property owners? Hell no.

    How can you accomplish it? Try moving the city south three hundred miles and put it next to the ocean. Otherwise we are back to the Carmel-by-the-airport dilemma.

  41. Bruce

    Smart Growth Principles:

    1. Mix land uses
    2. Take advantage of compact building design
    3. Create a range of housing opportunities and choices
    4. Create walkable communities
    5. Foster distinctive, attractive communities with a strong sense of place
    6. Preserve open space, farmland, natural beauty, and critical environmental areas
    7. Strengthen and direct development toward existing communities
    8. Provide a variety of transportation choices
    9. Make development decisions predictable, fair, and cost-effective
    10. Encourage community and stakeholder collaboration in development decisions

    I like #9 the best…

  42. Ray Park

    Santa Cruz Avenue used to have a great Swiss bakery, an old fashioned coffee shop, a goofy little camera shop, a hardware store, an old fashioned ice cream parlor and they are all gone now but the street remains a wonderful place to shop. No more Norman Rockwell streets. It is that romantic notion of what streets were like that stifles progress. Why don’t we sit down and envision what the future holds. Following on what Keighran proposed, how about making Burlingame Ave. (and maybe Broadway) a WiFi hot spot so all those kids with Paul’s laptops can hang out. Look ahead and forget the ’50’s.

  43. Ray Park

    Bruce-Those are great. Where did you get them??

  44. Bruce

    Here you go sir!

    http://www.smartgrowth.org/pdf/gettosg2.pdf

  45. Anonymous

    Wait a second, Ray Park. I was there yesterday. They still have the goofy camera shop, the hardware store, and the ice-cream parlor, or was I in a time warp? (Perhaps these are different establishments than what you are recalling, though I doubt it.) It is a wonderful, unique street and they are fortunate that the radius rule extending from the Stanford Mall has largely kept the chains away. This are certainly not the norm.

    There are mainly smaller spaces on that street, with the exception of Flegels, that has also been there many years, also a store called Traditions, with home decor. The others are far smaller. By the way, thanks for the sizes on Ralph’s space and the nice article. It is larger than I thought, but in an a good range, still not nearly Pottery Barn size, which I believe is something like 14K, including loft/storage. I used to know all of this. That store basically extends the depth of the lot. If you gave me, the consumer, a choice between having Pottery Barn, or two or three smaller stores with unique items for the home, I’d pick the latter. Maybe it is just me.

  46. al

    It’s funny how we aren’t talking about Broadway anymore…………maybe that’s what will save it.

  47. Anonymous

    ah, so if we aren’t talking about Condon anymore…that’s what will save him??

  48. Ricardo Ortiz

    nasty, nasty. “small specks of sand”: very constructive discussion of issues. Sometimes pit bulls have a hard time letting go when they bite. YES Fiona! “move on”.

  49. Anonymous

    We are all moving on Ricardo to the bigger picture but you are welcome to keep on the Condon track. We have two more important debates when we can judge the other specks of sand. See you there!

    It seems the corner market has been wanting to sell for awhile but “the price is very high”. Would be great to welcome an A.G. Ferrari to the neighborhood.

  50. Rich Grogan

    Ricardo as a follow up to my previous thread regarding ROM, last night pointed out more reasons as to why ROM should step down. ROM mentioned the use of the landfill for public use, what she failed to mention is that the city could not make the driving range profitable so it was turned over to a private company, who is making a profit. Generally speaking the landfill is only accessible via car, so the use is limited. ROM response to my question regarding the FAR was straight forward. ROM is in favor of the monster house, which has been a bone on contention in Burlingame for many years.

    ROM’s statement of misdirection about taking property away from the land owner was bogus. The FAR does not take anything away form existing structures, it just controls the size of what is to be build on a piece of land.

    ROM, also, let us know there were problem within Burlingame and she was going to work on fixing them. Why isn’t there, already, a meaningful master plan in place. We knew Cal Train was coming years ago, why isn’t there some sort of a meaningful plan to address this issue, already in place. Heck, Gene has been dealing with Cal Train for 14 or so years.

    All of these problems were present when she was first seated on the council and they are still here. To me she has not demonstrated any forward thinking, except the Broadway Avenue Sign is still there. It is said “if you do not know where you are and do not know where you are going, you will never get there.”

    I am afraid ROM has developed a serious case of “lostism”.

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